send email to dripmail at this domain name (why?)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:08:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: in class, again
I am in class.
What happened to Esther and Allan? Did my brother really scare them off
forever?
What will we do?!
your buddy,
-adam
What happened to Esther and Allan? Did my brother really scare them off
forever?
What will we do?!
your buddy,
-adam
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:07:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: 0silnot
http://www.kottke.org/remainder/04/02/5063.html
comments on "Heather is mothballing Jezebel after 8 years (I should
probably do the same for 0sil8 one of these days...)"
sjc: You're probably right. I mean, it's much more important that we know
your feelings about Godfather II than you actually, I don't know, create
something.
jkottke: As soon as you find me a time machine and some large chunks of
uninterrupted free time, I'll be happy to go back to doing 0sil8. In the
meantime, I'll continue to do what I feel like and pretend I don't owe you
anything.
comments on "Heather is mothballing Jezebel after 8 years (I should
probably do the same for 0sil8 one of these days...)"
sjc: You're probably right. I mean, it's much more important that we know
your feelings about Godfather II than you actually, I don't know, create
something.
jkottke: As soon as you find me a time machine and some large chunks of
uninterrupted free time, I'll be happy to go back to doing 0sil8. In the
meantime, I'll continue to do what I feel like and pretend I don't owe you
anything.
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:42:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Are Flintstones multivitamins with Prozac next?
http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,62154,00.html
"It's still one of those things that my husband and I struggle with,"
admitted Texas preschool teacher Jana Chapline, whose 7-year-old daughter
takes Prozac. "We have to wonder if we're doing the right thing until we
get the results."
According to experts, a growing number of parents are finding themselves
in Chapline's position, reluctantly agreeing to treat their young children
with antidepressants even though their effects on the brains of adults,
let alone children, are little understood. "This is ignorance in the
broadest sense of the term," said Dr. Glen R. Elliott, a child
psychiatrist at the University of California at San Francisco. "We don't
know if this is a good idea or not."
"It's still one of those things that my husband and I struggle with,"
admitted Texas preschool teacher Jana Chapline, whose 7-year-old daughter
takes Prozac. "We have to wonder if we're doing the right thing until we
get the results."
According to experts, a growing number of parents are finding themselves
in Chapline's position, reluctantly agreeing to treat their young children
with antidepressants even though their effects on the brains of adults,
let alone children, are little understood. "This is ignorance in the
broadest sense of the term," said Dr. Glen R. Elliott, a child
psychiatrist at the University of California at San Francisco. "We don't
know if this is a good idea or not."
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:52:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: the unconstitutionality of civil unions
Excerpts From Ruling on Gay Marriage
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/05/national/05GTEX.html?ex=1391317200&en=aef02ccb4d07a913&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
[Following are excerpts from a 4-to-3 opinion by the Massachusetts Supreme
Court yesterday that the state must allow gay marriage, not just civil
unions, to comply with its earlier ruling in Goodridge vs. Department of
Public Health:]
The same defects of rationality evident in the marriage ban considered in
Goodridge are evident in, if not exaggerated by, Senate No. 2175.
Segregating same-sex unions from opposite-sex unions cannot possibly be
held rationally to advance or "preserve" what we stated in Goodridge were
the commonwealth's legitimate interests in procreation, child rearing and
the conservation of resources. Because the proposed law by its express
terms forbids same-sex couples entry into civil marriage, it continues to
relegate same-sex couples to a different status. The holding in Goodridge,
by which we are bound, is that group classifications based on
unsupportable distinctions, such as that embodied in the proposed bill,
are invalid under the Massachusetts Constitution. The history of our
nation has demonstrated that separate is seldom, if ever, equal. . . .
The bill's absolute prohibition of the use of the word "marriage" by
"spouses" who are the same sex is more than semantic. The dissimilitude
between the terms "civil marriage" and "civil union" is not innocuous; it
is a considered choice of language that reflects a demonstrable assigning
of same-sex, largely homosexual, couples to second-class status. . . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/05/national/05GTEX.html?ex=1391317200&en=aef02ccb4d07a913&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
[Following are excerpts from a 4-to-3 opinion by the Massachusetts Supreme
Court yesterday that the state must allow gay marriage, not just civil
unions, to comply with its earlier ruling in Goodridge vs. Department of
Public Health:]
The same defects of rationality evident in the marriage ban considered in
Goodridge are evident in, if not exaggerated by, Senate No. 2175.
Segregating same-sex unions from opposite-sex unions cannot possibly be
held rationally to advance or "preserve" what we stated in Goodridge were
the commonwealth's legitimate interests in procreation, child rearing and
the conservation of resources. Because the proposed law by its express
terms forbids same-sex couples entry into civil marriage, it continues to
relegate same-sex couples to a different status. The holding in Goodridge,
by which we are bound, is that group classifications based on
unsupportable distinctions, such as that embodied in the proposed bill,
are invalid under the Massachusetts Constitution. The history of our
nation has demonstrated that separate is seldom, if ever, equal. . . .
The bill's absolute prohibition of the use of the word "marriage" by
"spouses" who are the same sex is more than semantic. The dissimilitude
between the terms "civil marriage" and "civil union" is not innocuous; it
is a considered choice of language that reflects a demonstrable assigning
of same-sex, largely homosexual, couples to second-class status. . . .
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:43:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Ben Brown <ben@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: 0sil8
Oh, poor put upon Jason who has no free time to create anything with
meaning, but by his own admission spent many many hours reorganising his
blog into a totally useless, chaotic page of random 2-sentence blurbs.
NOW THAT'S TIME WELL SPENT!
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:52:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: redesign dripmail
Do you hate the lame, boring, 1995 look of dripmail?
Well, thanks to cutting edge 1996 technology called STYLESHEETS you can
bring dripmail... into 1996. Or something.
I've re-marked up dripmail as "descriptively" as I could - so
theoretically a good designer could modify the css - dripmail.css - and
redesign dripmail very easily. Or a bad designer, it doesn't matter.
If people actually send stylesheets in I will hack something together to
select between them and then you can have your own beautiful version of
dripmail. (Probably.)
(This is an experiment. I'm thinking about doing it for all of
trenchant.org soon.)
-adam
Well, thanks to cutting edge 1996 technology called STYLESHEETS you can
bring dripmail... into 1996. Or something.
I've re-marked up dripmail as "descriptively" as I could - so
theoretically a good designer could modify the css - dripmail.css - and
redesign dripmail very easily. Or a bad designer, it doesn't matter.
If people actually send stylesheets in I will hack something together to
select between them and then you can have your own beautiful version of
dripmail. (Probably.)
(This is an experiment. I'm thinking about doing it for all of
trenchant.org soon.)
-adam
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:39:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Basecamp
(This should be thought about more and posted on daily - remember,
dripmail is also my pseudo-scratchboard sometimes.)
Basecamp [ http://www.basecamphq.com/ ] is a new web based project
management tool from 37signals [ http://www.37signals.com ]
(I didn't have any luck signing up for it, they may be having some
technical problems with the launch... I'll try again later this
weekend when I have more time and post more.)
>From the description it looks like a successor to Pyra's Pyra web based
project manager application. (It was Pyra's "real" product - Blogger was
just a diversionary sideproject, but now I can't even find a mention of it
on pyra.com anymore.)
I was always very intrigued by Pyra - a lot of the benefits people talk
about weblogs bringing to intranets and project management seemed to be
the basis for Pyra - ease of posting, a focus on communication and
individuals updating in a decentralized way. But in a more structured,
formal setting.
Sippey called it "Pyra's Killer App" -
http://www.theobvious.com/archive/2000/05/01.html
"A collaborative, web-based project management tool like Pyra has the
potential to change the way project management is practiced. PC-based PM
software (like MS Project) is geared towards generating a document -- The
Project Plan -- that without vigilant attention to detail (usually of the
mind-numbing sort) quickly becomes out of date. This document-centric
approach to managing tasks and schedules puts the people that know best
about current status one step removed from the plan, and puts the project
manager in the middle of what should be a simple transaction ("mark this
task complete"). Furthermore, with its discussion functionality, Pyra
enables team members to carry on asynchronous conversations about
features, tasks and issues inside the project plan environment itself."
It'll be interesting to see if 37signals can sell a hosted solution that
realizes this non-document-centric (process-centric?
communication-centric? transaction-centric?) model and make money off of
it. [ Although if that falls through, I hope they bring back shirtsignals.
My ePimp shirt is quali-tee. ]
dripmail is also my pseudo-scratchboard sometimes.)
Basecamp [ http://www.basecamphq.com/ ] is a new web based project
management tool from 37signals [ http://www.37signals.com ]
(I didn't have any luck signing up for it, they may be having some
technical problems with the launch... I'll try again later this
weekend when I have more time and post more.)
>From the description it looks like a successor to Pyra's Pyra web based
project manager application. (It was Pyra's "real" product - Blogger was
just a diversionary sideproject, but now I can't even find a mention of it
on pyra.com anymore.)
I was always very intrigued by Pyra - a lot of the benefits people talk
about weblogs bringing to intranets and project management seemed to be
the basis for Pyra - ease of posting, a focus on communication and
individuals updating in a decentralized way. But in a more structured,
formal setting.
Sippey called it "Pyra's Killer App" -
http://www.theobvious.com/archive/2000/05/01.html
"A collaborative, web-based project management tool like Pyra has the
potential to change the way project management is practiced. PC-based PM
software (like MS Project) is geared towards generating a document -- The
Project Plan -- that without vigilant attention to detail (usually of the
mind-numbing sort) quickly becomes out of date. This document-centric
approach to managing tasks and schedules puts the people that know best
about current status one step removed from the plan, and puts the project
manager in the middle of what should be a simple transaction ("mark this
task complete"). Furthermore, with its discussion functionality, Pyra
enables team members to carry on asynchronous conversations about
features, tasks and issues inside the project plan environment itself."
It'll be interesting to see if 37signals can sell a hosted solution that
realizes this non-document-centric (process-centric?
communication-centric? transaction-centric?) model and make money off of
it. [ Although if that falls through, I hope they bring back shirtsignals.
My ePimp shirt is quali-tee. ]
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:49:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: selling hugs
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:07:38 -0600
From: dakota smith <ds@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: profit
when do you sell all the email addresses?
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:23:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dakota smith <ds@[xxx]
CC: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Re: profit
As soon as I find a buyer.
It's all about the Benjamins.
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, dakota smith wrote:
> when do you sell all the email addresses?
>
It's all about the Benjamins.
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, dakota smith wrote:
> when do you sell all the email addresses?
>
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:06:53 -0600
From: "Klara Y. Kim" <klarakim@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: email brokers
spammers are just trying to hug you the best way they know how.
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:20:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: this is my weekly email from classs
hi dripmailers!!
thanks for not responding at all to the stylesheet idea - now i never have
to redesign. yay.
your pal,
adam
thanks for not responding at all to the stylesheet idea - now i never have
to redesign. yay.
your pal,
adam
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:16:28 -0500
From: "Greg Mathes" <gmathes@[xxx]
To: <dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: This message is spam. adfjkadfkl;j hi we are neigbhoors xxx@[xxx] emqwmcoqk,saa
Your page sucks. Redesign? How about design. Text in a column is not a =
design, its a 13 year old girl template.
Two, you should be able to go the page and post to it, or at least have =
a mailto link, I never figured out why wouldn't have that. But then =
again, its not like my webpage is about to win any razzies or anything.
Former Treasury of the Secretary,
Paul O'neill
design, its a 13 year old girl template.
Two, you should be able to go the page and post to it, or at least have =
a mailto link, I never figured out why wouldn't have that. But then =
again, its not like my webpage is about to win any razzies or anything.
Former Treasury of the Secretary,
Paul O'neill
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:14:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: flickr
http://www.flickr.com
You count mathowie as an acquaintance, and mathowie counts you as
a soul mate.
The more social networking software changes, the more it eventually just
reverts back to sixdegrees.
(Flickr is actually pretty neat.)
You count mathowie as an acquaintance, and mathowie counts you as
a soul mate.
The more social networking software changes, the more it eventually just
reverts back to sixdegrees.
(Flickr is actually pretty neat.)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:17:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: social network's popularity
http://sylloge.typepad.com/x/2004/01/what_i_dont_get.html
Mostly (and I will finish this other post soon) I think that the FOAF
people completely miss the point. Friendster didn't get big because models
of social networks outside of any application have intrinsic value. It got
big because it was the first taste a few million people had of
representing their identity online.
For those of use who tried unique sigs in usenet postings or were on BBSs
or or unique handles on IRC or participated on email lists or had personal
sites early on, it is taken for granted -- but, e.g., for many of the
500,000 or whatever Filipinos who created accounts, this was their first
taste of projecting themselves into an entirely new space. Listing their
relationships is important since our relationships are to a great degree
constitutive of who we are.
[It's a comment by Stewart further down in the page... regarding FOAF as
a solution in need of a problem.]
When I first saw Friendster I thought of it's extended profile stuff as
"about me" pages for non-web people... most people are happy to describe
themselves with a picture, where they're from, lists of their cultural
consumptions, who their "friends" are and maybe a little tiny
paragraph of other information.
Mostly (and I will finish this other post soon) I think that the FOAF
people completely miss the point. Friendster didn't get big because models
of social networks outside of any application have intrinsic value. It got
big because it was the first taste a few million people had of
representing their identity online.
For those of use who tried unique sigs in usenet postings or were on BBSs
or or unique handles on IRC or participated on email lists or had personal
sites early on, it is taken for granted -- but, e.g., for many of the
500,000 or whatever Filipinos who created accounts, this was their first
taste of projecting themselves into an entirely new space. Listing their
relationships is important since our relationships are to a great degree
constitutive of who we are.
[It's a comment by Stewart further down in the page... regarding FOAF as
a solution in need of a problem.]
When I first saw Friendster I thought of it's extended profile stuff as
"about me" pages for non-web people... most people are happy to describe
themselves with a picture, where they're from, lists of their cultural
consumptions, who their "friends" are and maybe a little tiny
paragraph of other information.
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:29:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: the grey album
The Beatles White Album remixed with Jay Z's Black Album = Danger Mouse's
The Grey Album. It's dubious legality has prompted EMI's wrath. Read more
and download it if you you're interested -
http://www.waxy.org/archive/2004/02/11/danger_m.shtml
The Grey Album. It's dubious legality has prompted EMI's wrath. Read more
and download it if you you're interested -
http://www.waxy.org/archive/2004/02/11/danger_m.shtml
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:54:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Google to RSS users - fuck you
Rogers Cadenhead covers Blogger's decision to support Atom syndication
rather than RSS for it's large userbase -
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/2004/02/10.html#a1207
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/2004/02/10.html#a1210
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/2004/02/11.html#a1213
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/2004/02/11.html#a1222
It's always a bad idea to get caught up in THE RSS WARS or whatever it is,
because it's kind of ridiculous. However, it's gotten almost comical.
An official response (apparently) from Blogger people on the decision -
http://bloggerforum.com/blog/2004_01_01_archive.html#107488292622894718
"Atom is a unified publishing standard for blogging and syndication
inspired in great part by RSS - an early form of syndication that
attracted attention and enthusiasm for the way in which it allowed
developers and users to share and communicate personal content. However,
as RSS grew in popularity developers and specialists realized this early
system could not hold up under the stress of emerging demands.
This realization resulted in a massive cooperative effort to create a next
generation personal publishing standard that would be 100% vendor neutral,
implemented by everybody, freely extensible, and thoroughly specified.
Thus, Atom was created. Blogger's commitment to this widely accepted
format means that we encourage the use of Atom over RSS."
Talk about rewriting history. What exactly is the stress that RSS couldn't
stand up to? I guess the BBC and the New York Times aren't "stressful"
enough applications compared to a Blogspot weblog. I also am skeptical of
somebody claiming vendor neutrality when the vendors themselves are
involved in writing the specifications, and the effort is being
spearheaded by someone at IBM.
This isn't to say RSS is not without its problems. Like, where is the RSS
2.0 DTD? Why are there two incompatible RSS 0.91 DTD's? Is anybody ever
going to write a real XML schema for RSS 2.0?
I think that if Blogger was just honest and said, look, we think that in the battle of crazy
egomaniacs Mark Pilgrim is preferrable to Dave Winer, and that a still in
flux specification that was developed by a bunch of random people on a Wiki is
better for our users than what CNET, the BBC, and the New York Times have
adopted, then that's fine. I think reasonable adults can disagree about
these things and come to different conclusions.
But to imply that somehow RSS can't meet the "demands" of webloggers
doesn't really pass the laugh test. I have yet to see a single compelling
new feature in the syndication community come out of Atom syndication.
(The Atom API is another story. I agree that the Blogger and Meta-Weblog API
actually have serious technical limitations.)
I guess my point is - can everybody please stop arguing and support CDF
instead? Microsoft RULES!!!
rather than RSS for it's large userbase -
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/2004/02/10.html#a1207
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/2004/02/10.html#a1210
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/2004/02/11.html#a1213
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/2004/02/11.html#a1222
It's always a bad idea to get caught up in THE RSS WARS or whatever it is,
because it's kind of ridiculous. However, it's gotten almost comical.
An official response (apparently) from Blogger people on the decision -
http://bloggerforum.com/blog/2004_01_01_archive.html#107488292622894718
"Atom is a unified publishing standard for blogging and syndication
inspired in great part by RSS - an early form of syndication that
attracted attention and enthusiasm for the way in which it allowed
developers and users to share and communicate personal content. However,
as RSS grew in popularity developers and specialists realized this early
system could not hold up under the stress of emerging demands.
This realization resulted in a massive cooperative effort to create a next
generation personal publishing standard that would be 100% vendor neutral,
implemented by everybody, freely extensible, and thoroughly specified.
Thus, Atom was created. Blogger's commitment to this widely accepted
format means that we encourage the use of Atom over RSS."
Talk about rewriting history. What exactly is the stress that RSS couldn't
stand up to? I guess the BBC and the New York Times aren't "stressful"
enough applications compared to a Blogspot weblog. I also am skeptical of
somebody claiming vendor neutrality when the vendors themselves are
involved in writing the specifications, and the effort is being
spearheaded by someone at IBM.
This isn't to say RSS is not without its problems. Like, where is the RSS
2.0 DTD? Why are there two incompatible RSS 0.91 DTD's? Is anybody ever
going to write a real XML schema for RSS 2.0?
I think that if Blogger was just honest and said, look, we think that in the battle of crazy
egomaniacs Mark Pilgrim is preferrable to Dave Winer, and that a still in
flux specification that was developed by a bunch of random people on a Wiki is
better for our users than what CNET, the BBC, and the New York Times have
adopted, then that's fine. I think reasonable adults can disagree about
these things and come to different conclusions.
But to imply that somehow RSS can't meet the "demands" of webloggers
doesn't really pass the laugh test. I have yet to see a single compelling
new feature in the syndication community come out of Atom syndication.
(The Atom API is another story. I agree that the Blogger and Meta-Weblog API
actually have serious technical limitations.)
I guess my point is - can everybody please stop arguing and support CDF
instead? Microsoft RULES!!!
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:22:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: valentine's day
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:29:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Microsoft attracts the best and brightest
Microsoft Investigates Leak of Windows Source Code
http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1076632515
Comments such as, "potentially off-by-1, but who cares..." are buried
within code for the Windows Taskbar. Sources tell BetaNews there is no
reference that calls Netscape developers "Weenies," as was alleged in
court documents. Other comments range from mundane technical jargon to
all out profanity.
http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1076632515
Comments such as, "potentially off-by-1, but who cares..." are buried
within code for the Windows Taskbar. Sources tell BetaNews there is no
reference that calls Netscape developers "Weenies," as was alleged in
court documents. Other comments range from mundane technical jargon to
all out profanity.
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:03:52 -0800
From: Casey Marshall <rsdio@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Short, shameful confession.
Until very recently I thought "FOAF" stood for "Fuck Off And (...)",
and I was angry because I couldn't figure out what the second "F"
meant.
Kind of like when my friends were constantly beating me at Mario Kart
because they knew that pressing "A" would give you a red shell, and
they wouldn't tell me.
I'm so uncool.
and I was angry because I couldn't figure out what the second "F"
meant.
Kind of like when my friends were constantly beating me at Mario Kart
because they knew that pressing "A" would give you a red shell, and
they wouldn't tell me.
I'm so uncool.
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:44:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: I had to open my big stupid mouth
Because I stupidly joined Orkut (I felt obliged after bitching about it
and recieving and unsolicited invitation) and then stupidly joining
Haughey's stupid Bloggers group and other stupid crap whenever I stupidly
log in to stupid Orkut there are tons of stupid messages.
And I really just want there to be a "this person is stupid" button next
to the "delete" message button that makes sure I never get messages from
there again.
Social software is stupid.
Being social is stupid.
Stupid stupid stupid.
and recieving and unsolicited invitation) and then stupidly joining
Haughey's stupid Bloggers group and other stupid crap whenever I stupidly
log in to stupid Orkut there are tons of stupid messages.
And I really just want there to be a "this person is stupid" button next
to the "delete" message button that makes sure I never get messages from
there again.
Social software is stupid.
Being social is stupid.
Stupid stupid stupid.
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:09:42 -0800
From: Josh Santangelo <josh@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: stupid
I feel the same way about social software, as it stand so far. But are
you just jaded to all technology now, or what? What *isn't* stupid, in
your opinion? What *should* people be spending time and effort on, and
what are you doing to move in that direction other than just bitching
about those that aren't?
-josh
you just jaded to all technology now, or what? What *isn't* stupid, in
your opinion? What *should* people be spending time and effort on, and
what are you doing to move in that direction other than just bitching
about those that aren't?
-josh
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:01:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: what doesn't suck
Furl [ http://www.furl.net ] doesn't suck.
It's very much like the "Flick" project I prototyped and used for a few
months but never released [ http://trenchant.org/daily/2003/2/19 ]
The difference is that Furl is hosted - Flick was a desktop web
application. (I think in particular, for searching, it makes sense to have
a local cache for scalability to have your archive seperated from others,
but I'm not sure how quickly that's going to become an issue.)
Furl is a program that solves a specific information management problem
and through its solution offers interesting possibilities - very similar
to the stuff that is going on at delicious [ http://www.del.icio.us ]
(what a bad URL) The main reason I like Furl is that it actually caches
pages and allows you to search them (the main idea behind Flick.)
(If Google and Microsoft and Altavista are able to suck down your
content, store it, cache it, and make money off of it, then people should
also take advantage of that and create personal data repositories.)
Adding "social networking" type stuff to this kind of application
increases its value (maybe) by, say, allowing me to "subscribe" to my
friends' links on delicious or Furl or whatever, seeing what my friends
are reading, and possibly finding new interesting things.
The "generic" social networking sites - and I said this when I first was
exposed to them with SixDegrees and Stanford's InCircle/Clubwhatever thing
- is that they are just fucking dumb.
I already know who my friends are. (Kind of.) And I mostly know who their
friends are -- or I don't care. (Mostly the latter.) Seeing that
represented visually is a one-time "neat" thing. Then it's... kind of not
that interesting.
The "problems" these networking sites try to solve - finding dates,
making business contacts, connecting with people of similar interests -
don't seem to actually work at all, or if they do, aren't qualitatively
better than existing solutions that I can see. The only real advantage is
the apparent lowering of the bar for participation - it's a lot easier to
type a bunch of crap in a Friendster profile page than create your own web
site - arguably.
But these social networking sites are just stupid acquaintance engines and
new ways to get unsolicited messages from people that are "friends" with
one of my "friends" who has like 80 friends listed. Is that ever going to
help me get a job? Meet new people to be my "activity partner?"
I have no idea what I should be working on or pushing people to work on.
(The one click "save to searchable data repository" is a good one, if
someone wants to re-implement Flick/Furl as a client-side http-server-app
please get right on that.)
Or something, I don't know.
Really I should be focusing on becoming a better chef. And learning how to
write DTD's for document modeling class.
It's very much like the "Flick" project I prototyped and used for a few
months but never released [ http://trenchant.org/daily/2003/2/19 ]
The difference is that Furl is hosted - Flick was a desktop web
application. (I think in particular, for searching, it makes sense to have
a local cache for scalability to have your archive seperated from others,
but I'm not sure how quickly that's going to become an issue.)
Furl is a program that solves a specific information management problem
and through its solution offers interesting possibilities - very similar
to the stuff that is going on at delicious [ http://www.del.icio.us ]
(what a bad URL) The main reason I like Furl is that it actually caches
pages and allows you to search them (the main idea behind Flick.)
(If Google and Microsoft and Altavista are able to suck down your
content, store it, cache it, and make money off of it, then people should
also take advantage of that and create personal data repositories.)
Adding "social networking" type stuff to this kind of application
increases its value (maybe) by, say, allowing me to "subscribe" to my
friends' links on delicious or Furl or whatever, seeing what my friends
are reading, and possibly finding new interesting things.
The "generic" social networking sites - and I said this when I first was
exposed to them with SixDegrees and Stanford's InCircle/Clubwhatever thing
- is that they are just fucking dumb.
I already know who my friends are. (Kind of.) And I mostly know who their
friends are -- or I don't care. (Mostly the latter.) Seeing that
represented visually is a one-time "neat" thing. Then it's... kind of not
that interesting.
The "problems" these networking sites try to solve - finding dates,
making business contacts, connecting with people of similar interests -
don't seem to actually work at all, or if they do, aren't qualitatively
better than existing solutions that I can see. The only real advantage is
the apparent lowering of the bar for participation - it's a lot easier to
type a bunch of crap in a Friendster profile page than create your own web
site - arguably.
But these social networking sites are just stupid acquaintance engines and
new ways to get unsolicited messages from people that are "friends" with
one of my "friends" who has like 80 friends listed. Is that ever going to
help me get a job? Meet new people to be my "activity partner?"
I have no idea what I should be working on or pushing people to work on.
(The one click "save to searchable data repository" is a good one, if
someone wants to re-implement Flick/Furl as a client-side http-server-app
please get right on that.)
Or something, I don't know.
Really I should be focusing on becoming a better chef. And learning how to
write DTD's for document modeling class.
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:59:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: design
seriously, i need to become a better designer
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:17:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: what people should be working on
1. Show comments script Firefox compatability.
2. New stylesheet for dripmail.
And by people I mean Josh.
2. New stylesheet for dripmail.
And by people I mean Josh.
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:12:03 -0800
From: Josh Santangelo <josh@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: re: what people should be working on
1. Does anyone still keep shit in their comments? I stopped doing that
forever ago, and just *gasp* don't put things online that I didn't want
people to see. I think I looked at making it work in a previous version
of Gecko, and deemed it impossible because they changed how you could
get at comments via script. Or broke it. Or something. Maybe I'll look
at it again sometime.
2. What's wrong with how it looks now? You should just make it green on
black and a fixed-width font and say you're being clever by emulating
Pine or something.
I might work on either of those things if I weren't busy making an epic
porn-slash-social-networking-slash-blogging site already. If you hear
anyone using the word "communiporn", tell them that I made it up first.
(I'll do the same for you and google bombing.)
I guess I don't really get the appeal of the Furl thing, just because I
don't really find myself wishing I'd saved that page on the care and
feeding of naked mole rats or whatever. Why search a local index of
pages I've saved locally, which have probably since changed or moved,
when I can just search the whole web to find the latest-and-greatest, as
well as everything remotely related to it that I never would've had
stored locally anyway?
It's difficult to get excited about any sort of "next big thing" these
days, just because everything now is just a refinement of what's come
before. The biggest things always seem to be simple ideas done right,
but there are a finite amount of simple ideas, and they've all been done
an infinite number of times. I wish you weren't right when you say that
all the new stuff is stupid.
your biggest fan,
-josh
forever ago, and just *gasp* don't put things online that I didn't want
people to see. I think I looked at making it work in a previous version
of Gecko, and deemed it impossible because they changed how you could
get at comments via script. Or broke it. Or something. Maybe I'll look
at it again sometime.
2. What's wrong with how it looks now? You should just make it green on
black and a fixed-width font and say you're being clever by emulating
Pine or something.
I might work on either of those things if I weren't busy making an epic
porn-slash-social-networking-slash-blogging site already. If you hear
anyone using the word "communiporn", tell them that I made it up first.
(I'll do the same for you and google bombing.)
I guess I don't really get the appeal of the Furl thing, just because I
don't really find myself wishing I'd saved that page on the care and
feeding of naked mole rats or whatever. Why search a local index of
pages I've saved locally, which have probably since changed or moved,
when I can just search the whole web to find the latest-and-greatest, as
well as everything remotely related to it that I never would've had
stored locally anyway?
It's difficult to get excited about any sort of "next big thing" these
days, just because everything now is just a refinement of what's come
before. The biggest things always seem to be simple ideas done right,
but there are a finite amount of simple ideas, and they've all been done
an infinite number of times. I wish you weren't right when you say that
all the new stuff is stupid.
your biggest fan,
-josh
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:13:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: this week in class...
This week in the class where I have a computer in front of me... it's a
guest lecture!
Which would be exciting, except that the guest lecturer is the same
professor who teaches the class I have tomorrow. So it's not really all
that guest-like.
Also, it's 6:05 and it hasn't started yet.
WHAT WILL I DO.
Is this moblogging? Am I a moblogger? Nobody cares about the bad pictures
from your cell phone.
Could somebody please go and fix the Wikipedia entry on google bombing adn
remove all references to me as a "blogger?"
OK, it's starting, time to go.
guest lecture!
Which would be exciting, except that the guest lecturer is the same
professor who teaches the class I have tomorrow. So it's not really all
that guest-like.
Also, it's 6:05 and it hasn't started yet.
WHAT WILL I DO.
Is this moblogging? Am I a moblogger? Nobody cares about the bad pictures
from your cell phone.
Could somebody please go and fix the Wikipedia entry on google bombing adn
remove all references to me as a "blogger?"
OK, it's starting, time to go.
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:41:06 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: metafilter is back up
You probably didn't notice because you're not a total loser, but
metafilter [ http://www.metafilter.com ] has been down for like a week.
It went back up tonight and the first link I see posted there is Teenage
Mutant Ninja Pornography [ http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/31252 ]
It's the little things that make Metafilter worthwhile after all these
years of mediocre content and shallow conversations.
[ Matt will probably delete the thread soon, but you can follow up on all
the crappy delete threads by visiting mefifofuck
[ http://trenchant.org/mefifofuck ] ]
metafilter [ http://www.metafilter.com ] has been down for like a week.
It went back up tonight and the first link I see posted there is Teenage
Mutant Ninja Pornography [ http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/31252 ]
It's the little things that make Metafilter worthwhile after all these
years of mediocre content and shallow conversations.
[ Matt will probably delete the thread soon, but you can follow up on all
the crappy delete threads by visiting mefifofuck
[ http://trenchant.org/mefifofuck ] ]
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:04:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: W
SixPackOfJesus: i just want to play with transformers.
SixPackOfJesus: as a job.
SixPackOfJesus: i haven't really upped my goals since I was 8.
adammathes: mine have changed a little since i was 8
adammathes: like, i didn't want to become an anime character when i was 8
adammathes: i may have wanted to be a starfighter pilot
adammathes: but you know, i didn't really WANT it like i do today
SixPackOfJesus: well, you've experienced the alternative.
adammathes: not being a starfighter pilot?
adammathes: but i wasn't one when i was in grade school either
adammathes: it bothered me then too!
SixPackOfJesus: yeah, but now it's seeming like you'll NEVER get to be a
star fighter pilot.
adammathes: back then i was full of possibility
adammathes: interstellar war seemed just around the corner
SixPackOfJesus: well, with W in the seat of power, we still stand a
chance.
SixPackOfJesus: if anyone is going to launch us into decades of
interstellar conflict, it's him.
adammathes: that is a good point
adammathes: i never thought of it that way
adammathes: if he gets reelected, i'll try to console myself with that
SixPackOfJesus: as a job.
SixPackOfJesus: i haven't really upped my goals since I was 8.
adammathes: mine have changed a little since i was 8
adammathes: like, i didn't want to become an anime character when i was 8
adammathes: i may have wanted to be a starfighter pilot
adammathes: but you know, i didn't really WANT it like i do today
SixPackOfJesus: well, you've experienced the alternative.
adammathes: not being a starfighter pilot?
adammathes: but i wasn't one when i was in grade school either
adammathes: it bothered me then too!
SixPackOfJesus: yeah, but now it's seeming like you'll NEVER get to be a
star fighter pilot.
adammathes: back then i was full of possibility
adammathes: interstellar war seemed just around the corner
SixPackOfJesus: well, with W in the seat of power, we still stand a
chance.
SixPackOfJesus: if anyone is going to launch us into decades of
interstellar conflict, it's him.
adammathes: that is a good point
adammathes: i never thought of it that way
adammathes: if he gets reelected, i'll try to console myself with that
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:18:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Sugar water
Milestone: Apple Now Selling 'Sugar Water'
http://www.mikeslist.com/2004_02_15_archive.html#107713750740087791
I thought I would reflect on an ironic milestone in the history of
computing. Twenty years ago, Steve Jobs famously lured John Scully away
from Pepsi to become Apple's CEO by telling him: "You can either sell
sugared water to kids or you can help to change the world."
http://www.mikeslist.com/2004_02_15_archive.html#107713750740087791
I thought I would reflect on an ironic milestone in the history of
computing. Twenty years ago, Steve Jobs famously lured John Scully away
from Pepsi to become Apple's CEO by telling him: "You can either sell
sugared water to kids or you can help to change the world."
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:34:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: this week in class...
...this isn't really related to this class (it's related to tomorrow's)
but if i ever start a "band" i think i'll call it "elements vs attributes"
-adam
but if i ever start a "band" i think i'll call it "elements vs attributes"
-adam
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:44:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Grey Tuesday
Sippey on the (un)importance of Grey Tuesday -
http://sippey.typepad.com/filtered/2004/02/bgcolor_tags_un.html
"OK, so hosting files is a bit more involved than changing the background
color on a page. But I'm not connecting the dots between these acts and
the stated desire of GreyTuesday.org to drive 'common-sense reforms to
copyright law that can make sampling legal and practical for artists.'
The acts of protest being undertaken today speak more to the issue of
*distribution* (making it easier to find these works) than it does to the
issue of sampling and recombinatorial art. A more effective protest would
be to encourage website owners to create their own remixes -- integrating
and transforming artifacts from popular culture in order to make something
new, on their own.
By turning the protest into an issue of distribution, Capitol/EMI gets to
change the nature of the debate, and paint the civil disobedients with the
broader 'illegal downloading and distribution brush.' The core message of
the protest -- creating a change in the copyright law to allow for things
like compulsory licensing -- will get lost in the noise."
http://sippey.typepad.com/filtered/2004/02/bgcolor_tags_un.html
"OK, so hosting files is a bit more involved than changing the background
color on a page. But I'm not connecting the dots between these acts and
the stated desire of GreyTuesday.org to drive 'common-sense reforms to
copyright law that can make sampling legal and practical for artists.'
The acts of protest being undertaken today speak more to the issue of
*distribution* (making it easier to find these works) than it does to the
issue of sampling and recombinatorial art. A more effective protest would
be to encourage website owners to create their own remixes -- integrating
and transforming artifacts from popular culture in order to make something
new, on their own.
By turning the protest into an issue of distribution, Capitol/EMI gets to
change the nature of the debate, and paint the civil disobedients with the
broader 'illegal downloading and distribution brush.' The core message of
the protest -- creating a change in the copyright law to allow for things
like compulsory licensing -- will get lost in the noise."
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:54:34 -0800
From: "Michael Sippey" <michael@[xxx]
To: <dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: I want.
Adam,
Forgive me if this is "asked and answered," as the lawyers put it. But
would you consider making dripmail available to the public? Or if not to
the public, at least to one particular member of its fanbase?
Curiously yours,
m
Forgive me if this is "asked and answered," as the lawyers put it. But
would you consider making dripmail available to the public? Or if not to
the public, at least to one particular member of its fanbase?
Curiously yours,
m
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:38:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: Michael Sippey <michael@[xxx]
CC: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Re: I want.
Michael,
I've just posted a quick initial release of the script. It still likely
has bugs and the documentation is (very) lacking, but feel free to play
around with it and let me know if you can get it working.
http://adammathes.com/dripmail/
-adam
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Michael Sippey wrote:
> Adam,
>
> Forgive me if this is "asked and answered," as the lawyers put it. But
> would you consider making dripmail available to the public? Or if not to
> the public, at least to one particular member of its fanbase?
>
> Curiously yours,
> m
>
>
>
I've just posted a quick initial release of the script. It still likely
has bugs and the documentation is (very) lacking, but feel free to play
around with it and let me know if you can get it working.
http://adammathes.com/dripmail/
-adam
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Michael Sippey wrote:
> Adam,
>
> Forgive me if this is "asked and answered," as the lawyers put it. But
> would you consider making dripmail available to the public? Or if not to
> the public, at least to one particular member of its fanbase?
>
> Curiously yours,
> m
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:19:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: what's for dinner
klara: i took home mealworm pie, pecan pie, a chocolate covered
cricket, a cricket lollipop, a couple stir-fried silkworm pupae, and
some deep-fried mole crickets
cricket, a cricket lollipop, a couple stir-fried silkworm pupae, and
some deep-fried mole crickets
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:19:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: HAPPY WEIRD-ASS PIRATE MULTICART DAY!!
Even though it's over six months since it's been updated, going to the
Sardius rom page always makes me happy.
[ http://sardius.fefea.org/images.htm ]
Sardius rom page always makes me happy.
[ http://sardius.fefea.org/images.htm ]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:37:33 -0500
From: "Sardius" <sardius@[xxx]
To: <dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Re: HAPPY WEIRD-ASS PIRATE MULTICART DAY!!
I was wondering why I joined the lj feed for this thing earlier today (other than to make the most out of my extra paid account syndication points...yeah, you're jealous), and now I know why - it was psychic, preemptive paranoia. I KNEW you'd be talking about me behind my back on here in mere hours, so I was TOTALLY READY.
Also, I don't remember making so many xXx references in that update. Damn.
________________________________________________________________
Get your own evilemail.com address at http://www.evilemail.com
Also, I don't remember making so many xXx references in that update. Damn.
________________________________________________________________
Get your own evilemail.com address at http://www.evilemail.com
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:28:13 -0800
From: Josh Santangelo <josh@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: ass.
So has anyone actually gotten some from Uber Personals yet?
-josh
-josh
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:38:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: Josh Santangelo <josh@[xxx]
CC: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Re: ass.
As far as I know, hundreds of hipsters have been sexually satisfied from
Uber Personals...
...only in the sense that I don't know that it isn't true.
Why, Josh, are you looking for LOVE/ass and concerned Uber Personals isn't
capable of delivering?
I think the real issue is have Ben and I gotten some MONEY from Uber
Personals yet... and I can certainly say that I haven't.
-adam
ps - have you heard of friendster? i hear it is actually a PERSONALS
SERVICE in disguise!
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Josh Santangelo wrote:
> So has anyone actually gotten some from Uber Personals yet?
>
> -josh
>
Uber Personals...
...only in the sense that I don't know that it isn't true.
Why, Josh, are you looking for LOVE/ass and concerned Uber Personals isn't
capable of delivering?
I think the real issue is have Ben and I gotten some MONEY from Uber
Personals yet... and I can certainly say that I haven't.
-adam
ps - have you heard of friendster? i hear it is actually a PERSONALS
SERVICE in disguise!
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Josh Santangelo wrote:
> So has anyone actually gotten some from Uber Personals yet?
>
> -josh
>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:53:31 -0800
From: Josh Santangelo <josh@[xxx]
To: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
CC: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: Re: ass.
Nah, my ass needs have been pretty well met lately. I just happened to
be looking at the (shadow of its former self) Uber today, and was
wondering how that was going. I would guess there's some sort of
revenue-generating critical mass that you haven't hit yet. I wonder at
what point Spring Street started raking it in.
-josh
PS: Have you heard of Orkut? I hear it is actually a wannabe web-hipster
WANK FEST in disguise! (Down with all social networking, unless you or I
provide the medium of course.)
PPS: I totally never heard about the Grey Day thing until it was on
dripmail. It is a leading meme-source for me now, I guess. Please don't
tell anyone else about it, or I won't still be on the cutting edge.
be looking at the (shadow of its former self) Uber today, and was
wondering how that was going. I would guess there's some sort of
revenue-generating critical mass that you haven't hit yet. I wonder at
what point Spring Street started raking it in.
-josh
PS: Have you heard of Orkut? I hear it is actually a wannabe web-hipster
WANK FEST in disguise! (Down with all social networking, unless you or I
provide the medium of course.)
PPS: I totally never heard about the Grey Day thing until it was on
dripmail. It is a leading meme-source for me now, I guess. Please don't
tell anyone else about it, or I won't still be on the cutting edge.
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:36:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: inside jokes
I don't want to in any way imply that the "We Think Ben Might Be Gay"
community [ http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=3084 ] redeems Orkut,
but it does have its moments. (Really, it's just that Lance is funny.)
[ http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=3084&tid=5 ]
Q: Who is more likely to come out of the closet, Ben Brown or John
"Halcyon" Styn?
A: Lane Becker.
Q: Who is more likely to come out of the closet, Ben Brown or Lane Becker?
A: Peter Merholz.
Q: Who is more likely to come out of the closet, Ben Brown or Peter
Merholz?
A: Ben Brown, because John Styn is too flamboyant.
Q: If Ben Brown, Lance Arthur, Tom Coates, Ernie Hsiung and Brad Graham
were stuck on a deserted island together, who would be the first couple to
"sleep together?"
A: Brad would "sleep" with Lance, because Tom would be too busy debating
the layout of the palm trees, Ernie would be practicing his DDR steps and
Ben would be masturbating.
community [ http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=3084 ] redeems Orkut,
but it does have its moments. (Really, it's just that Lance is funny.)
[ http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=3084&tid=5 ]
Q: Who is more likely to come out of the closet, Ben Brown or John
"Halcyon" Styn?
A: Lane Becker.
Q: Who is more likely to come out of the closet, Ben Brown or Lane Becker?
A: Peter Merholz.
Q: Who is more likely to come out of the closet, Ben Brown or Peter
Merholz?
A: Ben Brown, because John Styn is too flamboyant.
Q: If Ben Brown, Lance Arthur, Tom Coates, Ernie Hsiung and Brad Graham
were stuck on a deserted island together, who would be the first couple to
"sleep together?"
A: Brad would "sleep" with Lance, because Tom would be too busy debating
the layout of the palm trees, Ernie would be practicing his DDR steps and
Ben would be masturbating.
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:17:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Adam Mathes <adam@[xxx]
To: dripmail@[xxx]
Subject: this will not make sense to most people
http://www.stanford.edu/~ksken/index.html
I like to think that I'm part of the reason that page exists.
I like to think that I'm part of the reason that page exists.
Why Dripmail? What? Huh?
(sending email to dripmail at this domain name makes it appear here. plain text only, please.)
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